If you've got time for listening to podcasts, here's me chatting with Suzy Bashford on the Big Juicy Creative podcast.

Suzy gives great chat, asking brilliant probing questions and bringing herself wholeheartedly to the interview. 

We talk about my circus upbringing, the function of humour in therapy, why the arts are essential in schools and how tapping into the qualities of our inner clowns can help us into deeper connection. 

It's episode 30, Enjoy!

Find it on apple here.

Find it on Spotify here.

Or on the Big Juicy Creative website here.